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well hello and welcome to the latest edition of\h
need to know this edition coming right on the\h\h

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heels of the public congressional hearing\h
into uaps this week we've got lou elizondo\h\h

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on that hearing what did he think of the debacle\h
that calls itself a congressional oversight\h\h

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committee i'll bring in now my colleague and crime\h
and co-host bryce zabel from los angeles good day\h\h

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bryce uh good day roscoe and you know i i enjoyed\h
hearing them in real time uh my time which was\h\h

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uh i guess they started at nine o'clock on the\h
east coast here in the u.s which means i was up at\h\h

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six o'clock listening to them and while i was uh\h
you know patting myself on the back for being able\h\h

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to get up and be lucid at that time i had to think\h
you must have been listening to him what like one\h\h

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in the morning or let's just say mate it's pretty\h
bloody obvious i haven't had my beauty sleep last\h\h

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night i've drunk a lot of coffee this morning but\h
bryce there's one thing i've got to say to you\h\h

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yeah happy birthday oh my god and can i tell\h
you it's not much of a birthday present this\h\h

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congressional hearing it it's essentially what we\h
would call in australia and forgive the vulgarity\h\h

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a turd tied up with a bow to make it look pretty\h
it was a disgusting performance by a bunch of\h\h

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fairly lackluster representatives who did not\h
do their job as an oversight committee do you\h\h

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disagree okay show's over folks that's pretty\h
well you know i think there are ways that you can\h\h

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parse how you want to look at these hearings if\h
you remember when the the preliminary report on\h\h

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uap came out in june of 2021 and a lot of\h
people wanted to call it a nothing burger\h\h

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because it didn't go far enough and and you know\h
obviously there's some truth in that but there\h\h

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are many other uh reports to come i think you\h
could also look at this in the same way it was\h\h

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clearly imperfect it was clearly not satisfying\h
and it clearly had all kinds of issues that i\h\h

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would like to have seen addressed in a different\h
way but it was a start uh it may not be the uh\h\h

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the beginning of the end as i think churchill\h
said but it might be the the end of the\h\h

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beginning uh that we were we're going to get\h
started on talking about this but what i was\h\h

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most taken by was that they brought two people\h
in who seemed selected specifically because\h\h

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they had plausible deniability about some of the\h
things that they were going to be asked about\h\h

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i i completely agree i mean these guys were just\h
not across their brief for them to not know for\h\h

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example about the malmstrom ufo incident a citing\h
a very important national security sighting that\h\h

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i do know has been raised with the uap task force\h
it's utterly absurd and quite frankly implausible\h\h

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that two of the most senior officials in the u.s\h
defense department and intelligence community\h\h

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had no idea about the malmstrom ufo incident that\h
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kind anomalous phenomena allegedly disengaging\h
nuclear warhead missiles a very very serious\h\h

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breach of u.s national security why the hell\h
don't defense department officials know about that\h\h

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how can they possibly call themselves competent\h
to make any kind of a comment about the uap issue\h\h

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if they haven't received a briefing before they\h
went up to a congressional oversight committee\h\h

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frankly in australia those kind of officials\h
would be sacked on the spot they'd get their butts\h\h

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kicked and they'd be told they're incompetent\h
it was shocking and outrageous and you're right\h\h

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heads should roll when something that bad happens\h
because either uh i mean you could say that that\h\h

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must have been their strategy well then somebody\h
who came up with the strategy should be fired\h\h

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because it was such a bad one uh to to roll out\h
and and the thing is it hung a sign it hung a\h\h

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lantern on the very problem that the department\h
of defense has faced in our current run-up to\h\h

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hearings and reports which is there is a tendency\h
in the dialogue that they wish to encourage to say\h\h

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that this really didn't happen until recent\h
years in 2004 there was the nimitz case and\h\h

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and yes we're watching to see if there's any more\h
of these things and we're very confused by them\h\h

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but the truth of the matter is you know it's\h
2022 right now and that means that the summer of\h\h

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the saucers back in 1947 was 75 years ago and of\h
course the defense department knows a lot about it\h\h

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so to send people out there that don't understand\h
the history that and the and the details and the\h\h

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investigations and the reports and the comments\h
and the cases of these last 75 years just struck\h\h

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me as a completely bone-headed response and as\h
you know bryce you and i have spent the last\h\h

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13 episodes of need to know going into that\h
history and telling that story but the one thing\h\h

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i think we flagged and i'm i'm secretly very smug\h
about it is that we flagged that what was going on\h\h

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inside the pentagon was an attempt to constrain\h
the narrative i've said all along that the very\h\h

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decision of the uap task force that did the report\h
to the congress that was published in june 25th\h\h

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2021 the the very fact that that that report only\h
looked at incidents from the 2004 nimitz incident\h\h

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through to 2021 was always an attempt to constrain\h
the narrative they don't want to talk about the\h\h

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very overwhelming evidence to show that there\h
have been alleged i say alleged alleged craft\h\h

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retrievals alleged interdictions between military\h
aircraft and uaps where in some cases military\h\h

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aircraft have been lost they don't want to talk\h
about numerous sightings going right back to the\h\h

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1940s where there is an abundance of very credible\h
military intelligence defense department witnesses\h\h

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who support claims that there is an anomalous\h
phenomena and this idea this mythology that\h\h

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they've just suddenly discovered this phenomenon\h
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and investigate it it's utter [\h__\h] and i'm\h
surprised i'm surprised the congress accepts it\h\h

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i'm not sure that congress is going to continue to\h
accept it and certainly not everybody in congress\h\h

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accepts it right now but i let me break\h
that down into two parts though part one\h\h

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is yes folks if you're listening to uh need to\h
know as a podcast or watching it on as a youtube\h\h

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remember one of the reasons we talk\h
a lot about the history is because\h\h

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the defense department has decided to\h
go with the strategy where they don't\h\h

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and so we're here to hold their feet to the fire a\h
little bit and to say look there's more here than\h\h

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just what you're hearing out of the testimony\h
or the reports and we'll continue to do that\h\h

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as for whether they got away with it i i'm not\h
sure as i was watching the the house committee\h\h

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uh hearings this morning which were sort of\h
hearings light if you ask me they were short they\h\h

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were inconclusive they were unsatisfying i i kept\h
asking myself well what about some of these other\h\h

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people who are involved in this topic are they\h
watching and what are they thinking people like\h\h

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senator gillibrand from new york people like marco\h
rubio from florida uh mitt romney uh you know just\h\h

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and and then a lot about you know house\h
people like tim burchette and things like that\h\h

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a lot of people who are starting to become active\h
in congress must have been watching that and if\h\h

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you think the ross that you and i needed to tear\h
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must feel the same way so i don't\h
think this is the end of hearings\h\h

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it's the beginning and it's not even clear\h
that this house intelligence subcommittee is\h\h

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going to get to have the the final say about\h
who gets to have the next round of hearings\h\h

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they could come to the senate next i just want to\h
draw on one example of how the hearing has been\h\h

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misreported by a major news organization to make\h
the point that the media is not doing its job\h\h

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which is another theme that we've echoed all the\h
way through the need to know podcasts so i wake\h\h

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up this morning my time australia after going to\h
bed very late listening to the hearing and the bbc\h\h

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reports mr bray sought to dispel the notion\h
that uaps might be extraterrestrial aliens\h\h

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noting that no organic or inorganic material or\h
unexplainable wreckage has ever been recovered\h\h

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and no attempts have been made at communicating\h
with the objects now the actual quotation from\h\h

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the hearing was representative krishnamoorthy\h
and he asked how about wreckage have we come\h\h

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across any wreckage of any kind of object that has\h
now been examined by you now i don't think it's\h\h

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unreasonable for any person any reasonable person\h
to assume that what representative krishnamurthy\h\h

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was asking about when he asked have we he's asking\h
about the us government the u.s defense department\h\h

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the us intelligence community now the disingenuous\h
evasive obfuscatory and [\h__\h] argument that came\h\h

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back from ronald moultrie was quote the uap\h
task force doesn't have any wreckage that\h\h

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isn't explainable that isn't consistent\h
with being of extraterrestrial origin\h\h

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that didn't answer the question it completely\h
ignored the question posed by the representative\h\h

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the representative allowed himself to be snowed\h
now the point that i'm making is that this was\h\h

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misreported by a major media organization the\h
only answer that was given by ronald moultrie was\h\h

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an answer that confined himself to what the uap\h
task force knows that wasn't the question do you\h\h

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see my point bryce do you see how significant and\h
important it is that these things get misreported\h\h

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oh a a misreport then leads other reporters in\h
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it i just i have two thoughts here thought\h
one uh ross i always have to compliment you\h\h

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a man that can put the word obfuscatory and\h
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proud to be in business with okay so there's\h
that uh secondly you know i think we should\h\h

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have been hearing look i would have cast these\h
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uh with people that looked like they didn't know\h
what they were talking about and it looked like\h\h

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the bureaucrats sent down from the pentagon uh\h
we we should probably have heard from some people\h\h

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who wanted to talk about things that they'd\h
seen or observed and instead of getting lousy uh\h\h

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images where the the pentagon spokespeople used\h
them to say see this can all be explained you know\h\h

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we're hearing ross you and me and other people are\h
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i've spoken to people who've been in those\h
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those videos would blow you away it's the\h
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clearly subjected uh selected a complete dog\h
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it was pleased to view it to lead the viewer\h
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and that what the other thing that\h
they did was that they raised the\h\h

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triangles that have been uh published by\h
our friend and colleague jeremy corbell\h\h

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now i don't know the truth of jeremy corbell's uh\h
i think it was uss kid uh video which have shown\h\h

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pyramidal triangles hovering over the\h
ship i'm waiting to see what jeremy says\h\h

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but the fact that they used a video that they've\h
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opinion about that video before now and they save\h
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public are waiting to see is what is the evidence\h
you have on uaps wouldn't you bring out your most\h\h

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persuasive evidence to show the truth of the\h
mystery rather than bringing in debunking videos\h\h

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of course if that's what your goal was if your\h
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uh you you would probably do that and it's even\h
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they seem personable people uh you know but\h
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their secret weapon is that they've never\h
seen these videos themselves so that they\h\h

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have plausible deniability about those videos\h
i did think it was fascinating by the way that\h\h

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the chairman uh name-checked jeremy corbell at\h
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wearing i'm still tipping to jeremy for for having\h
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uh jeremy's statement after the the hearings he\h
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don't know the intent we don't know their origin\h
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is pretty fascinating and but my question is or do\h
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other studies we have this uh uh obvious amount\h
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i'm not sure that we don't have all those answers\h
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being lied to about it i i think it's time\h
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to transparency screw it i'm not interested\h
in lip service i'm interested in transparency\h\h

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let's get on with it yeah i look i agree\h
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the thing that worries me about the perception\h
i've come away with from that hearing is the\h\h

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smug arrogance of those officials particularly\h
mr bray i didn't like the way that you know\h\h

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it's funny i i i studied law as a boy and one of\h
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admire is the american constitutional system you\h
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of the people by the people for the people that\h
essentially the people are sovereign those are\h\h

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ideas that have been enshrined in american law\h
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absolutely fundamental to modern representative\h
democracy but what i saw there was a bureaucrat\h\h

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shoving away legitimate questions evading trying\h
to avoid answering i thought it was a disgrace and\h\h

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frankly as i'm hoping we'll hear from lua lazondo\h
shortly uh i'm hoping that uh he feels as well as\h\h

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as you and i do that this was a complete fast\h
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say more than that because he's actually to the\h
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these videos and and he knows uh what they didn't\h
bring into the hearing today you know i know we\h\h

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have to we're we're going to go to a break and\h
we're going to bring lou in here i just want to\h\h

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talk about one thing that may seem a little\h
ridiculous uh as opposed to sublime but okay\h\h

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you and i have made fun of the new uh office\h
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management and synchronization group which is a o\h
i m s g and you and i have kidded about it we've\h\h

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said how do you pronounce that a ohmsga that\h
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well let's just call it uap for unpronounceable\h
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charming in its own way but i have to tell\h
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of this hearing uh andre carson who was chairing\h
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msg as aimsog four or five times aim sog what uh\h
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in aoi msg to even come up with aim sog but are\h
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the uap task force we're going to call something\h
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well i took heart from the fact that he flagged\h
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because it is a dog of a name and it's interesting\h
isn't it because if it was aimsog it would be\h\h

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airborne identification and management special\h
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conveys some sense of competence and care and\h
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best all i saw so far from the defense department\h
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cops obfuscatory evasion evasive bureaucrats\h
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what they were being asked about there were\h
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them with lou in a moment i i will say this uh\h
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you know two weeks ago we did an uh an episode\h
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whether they would happen or not but we put that\h
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lightning fast i mean they were in the news and\h
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literally amazing to me how fast things can happen\h
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on so i i'm not going to go say anything other\h
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come on this and we hope to be here to cover it\h
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fact that we caused the congressional hearing\h
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well lou welcome to need to know and i wish i\h
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got this hearing happening before congress\h
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steaming bulldog what's your take well ross look\h
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i can be as fair as possible um when the 180 day\h
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a greater purpose i think very much the same case\h
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uh and forgive me for getting a little\h
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i think a lot of people feel exactly the way you\h
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in fact some of the reps are literally spinning on\h
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very frustrated um individuals in the government\h
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program are all kind of looking at this and\h
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let's look at this for what it is first of all\h
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a century where senior members of our government\h
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the genie back in the bottle now two where before\h
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this or the program blue book you had senior\h
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have senior members of the department of defense\h
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and the senior most intelligence officials in our\h
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and what did they say they said it's real and\h
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we don't know what these are so that's what they\h
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it's fair to presume here that there's going to be\h
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i think it was very pro-forma to me i wasn't\h
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around the department of defense and\h
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what is the baseline of truth what do we know\h
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it right knowing full well congress is very well\h
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received the briefings they know exactly what's\h
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former military members current military\h
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questions now the response to those questions\h
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wholeheartedly there was a lot of uh bureaucracy\h
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uh that were discussed and frankly there were a\h
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they didn't say and the contradictions and\h
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very precarious situation right now because they\h
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take back um you know let's let's hit those wave\h
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something that i'm not at liberty to discuss were\h
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i mean i wouldn't want to be in that hot seat\h
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now public record holy smokes dude right secondly\h
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audience i'm just going to quickly explain to our\h
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conversation between dr eric davis and admiral tom\h
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defense intelligence agency where tom wilson\h
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to discover a secret program inside the\h
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special access programs code word programs that\h
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engineering program correct that's\h
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you know congress now is is looking at that um\h
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asked them what are you doing right to look\h
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and by the way i gotta applaud his courage for\h
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to collect past information that the us government\h
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so they acknowledged atip was real and they\h
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45 years in between yeah they have admitted we're\h
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collect any information on what we've already done\h
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spent of your taxpayer money we're just going to\h
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that so that is also problematic i think i think\h
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dad is going to be held accountable to um so that\h
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retrievals now something i'm not at liberty to\h
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today they were very careful how the dod responded\h
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no recovered material okay how long has the task\h
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so you're right the task force doesn't have it\h
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furthermore uh when you look at what they\h
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to the task force they said two now now we have\h
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collection strategies being done and collection\h
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partners we have 400 cases we're working on\h
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with our academic and scientific communities\h
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lou it was kind of shocking to hear uh i think it\h
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memo in without objection and nobody objected\h
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i mean do you think that he made that uh\h
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and and offered it into the record\h
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about to do it you know it was clever if he\h
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didn't know a lot of things you know malstrom\h
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well we don't look at outside sources well hold\h
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you guys wrote it it got released through\h
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and telling you about it what do you mean you\h
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so i can't believe they were saying this for the\h
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history get ignored to such a degree that you\h
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have to testify before congress they're under oath\h
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date on the biggest cases and if we're talking\h
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nuclear weapons are a national security weap uh\h
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nuclear triad absolutely how could they not know\h
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that such a faux pas could actually occur well\h
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about it's one of two things it's only one two\h
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negligence choose your poison i don't really\h
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in if you are in the national security apparatus\h
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the kind of the big frustration that you see like\h
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stupid they've already they already know the truth\h
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soft sell they don't realize congress is painting\h
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time after that time after that there's more\h
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you're going to have more witnesses coming forward\h
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said today and someone's going to have to be held\h
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we talked about the quality of the videos\h
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now that video that they showed last night i know\h
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told me what they've seen in the congress in the\h
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higher resolution videos better quality videos\h
is is this [\h__\h] did they put up a completely\h\h

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bunkum bogus video it's happening every week you\h
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something that they knew already on social media\h
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ahead and say here's a video no no show the real\h
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report those if i had the opportunity right now\h
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agreement to worry about you can speak\h
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and so this is my this is my part of my kind of\h
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day the truth is coming out whether whether an\h
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under secretary's no offense but you guys come and\h
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adage that goes you can fool some people sometimes\h
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and that's what's going on look ross you you\h
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when i came out you know it's the typical cycle\h
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first you have you have disbelief and denial uh\h
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we'll just ignore lou then it goes to well anger\h
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you know i mean thank god i've got a letter from\h
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if it was up to the department of defense not only\h
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which by the way that got cleared up today finally\h
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and it's breaking my heart because i i was part\h
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dod i remember was very methodical very precise\h
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where the left hand doesn't know what the right\h
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they want to identify known unknowns and avoid\h
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we're putting all hands on deck on this which i\h
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two people so you're putting exactly four hands on\h
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time and looking at all the information the u.s\h
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are a lot of pockets of expertise that wilson memo\h
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to die that thing is now out for the public and\h
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i can't comment on but you know dod should have\h
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best to try to to alleviate the concerns of\h
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tom wilson i've i've exchanged communications\h
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very very highly to me of tom wilson my\h
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if you are aware of a waived unacknowledged\h
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the darkest secrets of all in the us government\h
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it gets even worse because let's say\h
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here if that document is legit the way in which\h
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the fbi would probably launch immediately a\h
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and the fact that a conversation like\h
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in a car again i'm being very careful what i say\h
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reason to be concerned now does this happen every\h
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very careful here if there's legitimacy to it why\h
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lou i i i think that's uh fascinating as a story\h
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uh ought to have their act together about this\h
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pentagon strategically decided these are the two\h
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x y and z but not a b and c or whatever whatever\h
strategy why would they pursue a strategy\h\h

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that puts people out there who appear to know\h
nothing about the history of the the situation\h\h

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why would because of that because one degree of\h
separation is a good thing you have plausible\h\h

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deniability right so you have someone testifying\h
under oath who can't lie hey if they don't know\h\h

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they don't know so they're not lying when they\h
say look we don't know they're being truthful\h\h

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but lou give me this reassurance because\h
one of the things i watched this morning\h\h

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was a fox news interview with um representative\h
krishnamoorthy and also representative gallagher\h\h

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and i think they acknowledged in that interview\h
that they'd been snowed that the committee was\h\h

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basically being treated evasively and and there\h
was obfuscation by the two witnesses they know it\h\h

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don't they but do you think there is the political\h
will is there the political will in the congress\h\h

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to to make public demands and to push politically\h
for the defense department and the intelligence\h\h

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community to open up yeah i think i think i\h
think they they if i could say the vernacular i\h\h

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think they pissed off congress that's never a good\h
idea you know congress has got a lot of power and\h\h

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normally they're busy fighting with each other but\h
you know this is a bipartisan issue and and this\h\h

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isn't going to go away um there's there's a lot\h
at stake here and there's a a lot of people now in\h\h

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congress that know exactly what's going on well\h
lou i have to you know on the on the political\h\h

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part of it i kept thinking to myself uh gillibrand\h
and rubio and the the gang in the senate had to\h\h

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be watching these games being played this morning\h
and having their own uh opinion but when you said\h\h

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and people do like to say that it's bipartisan\h
i mean certainly you got rubio gillibrand that's\h\h

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bipartisan the guys in the committee even\h
complimented themselves on being bipartisan\h\h

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but i don't know that it necessarily sounded 100\h
bipartisan the republican uh who led off seemed to\h\h

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be saying you know me i don't believe in this ufo\h
crap that much but uh china and russia i'm very\h\h

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interested in that they even had one guy i think\h
it was lahood who made it sound like he was going\h\h

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to pick up cold hard and zabel and waterboard us\h
if we if we tried to report anything more on this\h\h

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and and the democrats didn't quite seem that way\h
so i'm wondering are we seeing the beginning of a\h\h

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political difference between the parties on this\h
because we live in such a polarized country is\h\h

355
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ufology and the uap issue is it about to be\h
politicized really thoughtful question um you\h\h

356
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know what i don't think so uh i think uh i think\h
they're all doing their due diligence um they're\h\h

357
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trying to approach this from a very matter-of-fact\h
perspective which is something i've always been a\h\h

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proponent of um just the facts ma'am nuts and\h
bolts um i do think that you know there are\h\h

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individuals absurd i think that individual that\h
spoke said he was a former pilot for the military\h\h

360
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right so it's it's no wonder they're taking this\h
from from that perspective i don't think it's a\h\h

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political thing i don't think it's a partisan\h
thing uh i think there are just as many people\h\h

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on the conservative and the liberal sides that\h
agree uh both from the the profound uh existential\h\h

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aspect of this potential existential aspect uh all\h
the way to uh the nuts and bolts national security\h\h

364
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is this a threat um i i you know so far i haven't\h
seen now where the politics do come in play\h\h

365
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is when they have to hold feet to the fire to\h
the department of defense nobody wants to to\h\h

366
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look silly or stupid and that's why you heard\h
carson say in the beginning he says you know\h\h

367
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these witnesses were formally treated as\h
kooks and we need them treated as witnesses\h\h

368
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carson is absolutely right that is that is exactly\h
the way we need to treat this uh and and that's\h\h

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starting to happen now i i think frankly moultrie\h
and bray were a little bit um how shall i say um

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eager to to say things that they plan to do\h
that i'm not sure are really going to come\h\h

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to fruition they said a lot of nice things\h
but so far it hasn't happened look they just\h\h

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they they just now announced i think the director\h
today uh who did they announce and who is he and\h\h

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what do we know about him well i i i\h
don't want to speak for the government\h\h

374
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my understanding it's shankar patrick okay\h
uh but um you know that's not formal that's\h\h

375
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not for me that's not official let me just caveat\h
that and is is he a good hand is he a good handle

376
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boy ross you'd have to ask me that huh i i believe\h
let's give everybody a fair shake how about that\h\h

377
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right let's let's see what they can do um\h
you know this is part of my frustration you\h\h

378
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know this is why uh i i do what i do because\h
i um i think the people deserve the truth um

379
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is it at least good that they finally appointed\h
somebody is that is that progress or would\h\h

380
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have been yeah okay yeah now the problem is\h
they're considering this air trash space junk\h\h

381
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and debris quadcopters and drones when we're\h
really talking about breakaway technology\h\h

382
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this isn't we're not talking about look i\h
hate to say this folks but at 30 000 feet\h\h

383
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doing 2000 miles an hour that's not a cop\h
that's not a quadcopter okay never has been\h\h

384
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it never will be no so if it helps you have the\h
conversation by having these little anecdotes that\h\h

385
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we have drones and things fine you know what\h
if it helps a conversation in the short term\h\h

386
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but as these hearings progress more and more\h
detail is going to come out more and more fidelity\h\h

387
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where it will become very clear we're\h
not talking about drones and quadcopters\h\h

388
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which is a good point um the one thing that\h
was said over and over in these hearings\h\h

389
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this morning i can't say it was a it didn't it was\h
like 90 minutes and it wasn't even barely that it\h\h

390
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it was as i think gallagher said he thought it\h
was surprising and unsatisfying right but the\h\h

391
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thing that occurred to me is i heard them\h
say over and over well we should take that\h\h

392
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up in the classified meeting okay i was\h
said something like seven or eight times\h\h

393
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my question i guess is what do you think\h
knowing what you know to the extent that\h\h

394
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you can tell us what was discussed in those\h
classified that classified hearing today\h\h

395
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given the things that you heard them say we're\h
going to take that offline for now we're not\h\h

396
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going to answer in a public hearing we'll answer\h
that later classified what were they talking about\h\h

397
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great question because it's a leading to the\h
most probably the most important aspect of\h\h

398
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this entire conversation in my opinion um i\h
think that we're going to talk about sources\h\h

399
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and methods i think that we're going to talk\h
about our relationship with other countries\h\h

400
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they said some pretty bold statements there uh\h
you know they said things like well you know we're\h\h

401
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working with some of our closest allies and we're\h
doing this no you know you're not nice try because\h\h

402
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i know who is and it's not those folks um you\h
know there are there are countries that still\h\h

403
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don't want to have this conversation publicly\h
and there's countries that are willing to have\h\h

404
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this conversation publicly i think some of that\h
conversation probably occurred and then probably\h\h

405
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some things they don't want to discuss you\h
know they were very careful to say there's\h\h

406
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people that are agitating this conversation but\h
they didn't want to say who or where they were\h\h

407
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i suspect in that in that conversation they may\h
have said look we've got this monkey on our back\h\h

408
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you know call the dogs off of us because they're\h
making our lives miserable um i suspect that may\h\h

409
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have been part of it i also think when they were\h
talking about specific uh foreign countries that\h\h

410
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may be assisting with us assisting our efforts\h
look working with our foreign allies is now\h\h

411
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law of the land okay we are breaking the law if\h
we don't reach out to the five guys australia\h\h

412
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canada uk new zealand and our closest allies\h
we're wrong we're wrong we have to do it and so\h\h

413
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when they say things that are open well\h
we're talking to some of our allies\h\h

414
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well what does that mean i mean are you picking\h
up the phone and saying hey george how you doing\h\h

415
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or are you sharing information intelligence\h
classified intelligence information and are they\h\h

416
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sharing it with you through the normal foreign\h
disclosure mechanisms and non-disclosure policies\h\h

417
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:58,960
ndp one uh which is part of how we we work\h
with our foreign allies i mean there are there\h\h

418
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are very specific guidelines that dictate that\h
relationship right now i don't see him being done\h\h

419
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because i get people calling me from these other\h
countries that are in certain positions saying\h\h

420
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no one from the u.s has reached out to us uh\h
canada just came out very interestingly and said\h\h

421
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uh it was um it was uh one of their\h
representative congressional representatives\h\h

422
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who uh i have to give credit to i want to make\h
sure i um i wish you guys supposed anyways\h\h

423
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:32,000
representative mcguire up in canada uh is\h
now finally coming out and really picking\h\h

424
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up the torch on this look they've\h
had incidents over northern manitoba\h\h

425
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uh we know that um they're concerned they want\h
to know what's going on and by the way what can\h\h

426
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,920
they do with the united states to tackle this\h
problem so there are countries reaching out\h\h

427
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:51,360
um typically and historically australia and\h
the uk have been uh very lonesome to publicly\h\h

428
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:57,840
acknowledge any interest i get it i understand\h
it but at least in a classified setting i think\h\h

429
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:02,240
they should be more forthcoming and and hopefully\h
more enjoying to to work with the united states

430
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:11,280
i know you can't talk about any evidence that's\h
been given in closed hearings but have you given\h\h

431
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evidence in closed hearings before the congress\h
are you able to tell us that and more importantly\h\h

432
00:43:16,720 --> 00:43:22,880
is there any prospect at all that you would be\h
deposed under oath in an open public hearing

433
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i'll second that question yeah the first question\h
is i've always maintained um whatever relationship\h\h

434
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i have in washington it's really up for that party\h
to divulge um just like uh i've been speaking to\h\h

435
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:44,640
mr mcguire i never acknowledged it until he came\h
out and acknowledged it that's not my place to say\h\h

436
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:49,040
um if people want to know what my dealings\h
are with the u.s government in congress\h\h

437
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:54,320
they can ask the u.s government in\h
congress and i will i'm gonna just uh\h\h

438
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:01,760
restrain myself from from having that that\h
conversation now as far as uh going up to congress\h\h

439
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:07,760
uh if there are more hearings which i suspect\h
there will be you better believe it uh i i will\h\h

440
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:13,360
absolutely go and testify along with several of my\h
colleagues and and lou i i keep thinking because\h\h

441
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:19,840
we've seen that you've had uh you know people\h
uh personally attacking you uh in in on twitter\h\h

442
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and things like that and there's been we the the\h
documentary so-called documentary that came out\h\h

443
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from mr green street over the weekend and and i\h
look at those and i think i bet lou would would\h\h

444
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love to be testifying under oath because wouldn't\h
that allow you and force you to sort of prove your\h\h

445
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,400
case once and for all well but look i look if if\h
you're into tabloids and read tabloids you know i\h\h

446
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:48,480
twitter's full of it everybody knows it there's a\h
bunch of haters they're called trolls for a reason\h\h

447
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:53,920
i don't really care um you know my my focus\h
is on the 99 of fair-minded rational people\h\h

448
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out there that aren't you know conspiracy-minded\h
individuals um you know i'm not doing this for me\h\h

449
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,320
um everything i've ever said has always\h
come to fruition is always checked out\h\h

450
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,760
without without exception um like i said i i\h
i had this document in my hand for a reason i\h\h

451
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:14,400
guess they're calling the good senator a liar\h
too and you know i've got lots and lots of\h\h

452
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:21,120
documentation and email that will do more than\h
and satisfy uh who i am and what i've done um\h\h

453
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brother haters are going to hate and and\h
that's because they have agendas and because\h\h

454
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:30,800
for whatever reason they've made a little\h
cottage industry since they were 15 years\h\h

455
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old on this stuff and this is all they know and by\h
the way if real disclosure happens they don't have\h\h

456
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a job because this is all they've been doing this\h
whole their whole job has been disclosure well now\h\h

457
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:47,200
that disclosure's really upon us we have public\h
hearings it's no no no it's all lies obfuscation\h\h

458
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,120
because otherwise they're going to have to get a\h
job at starbucks and you know get a real job so\h\h

459
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that's the unfortunate side of this and i really\h
don't have time to get into the weeds with these\h\h

460
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:04,320
people who cherry pick information nor should you\h
but uh i just wanted to share something with you\h\h

461
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because i think the personal people have feel like\h
they know you now i i do this is the first time\h\h

462
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:16,560
we've met on on air or anything except i've spent\h
more time talking about you in a public forum than\h\h

463
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the president so uh you know oh no so so here's\h
the thing that that makes me wonder um i got a\h\h

464
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friend today who texted me and he said this was\h
the question he posed me said do you believe in\h\h

465
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,560
lou elizondo he didn't say do you believe\h
louisando which would mean do you believe what\h\h

466
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:40,400
he's saying is true he said do you believe in lou\h
elizondo as if you're santa claus or the easter\h\h

467
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:47,840
bunny or something you've been mythologized\h
by this process and what do you think about\h\h

468
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:52,560
this is what i'm getting out of social media\h
because the problem is that the messenger has\h\h

469
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:57,520
been confused with the message something that i've\h
always worried about i knew from day one stepping\h\h

470
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out on that stage at some point i may have to\h
back off and continue working behind the shadows\h\h

471
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because i become a cult of personality and that's\h
not what i want i'm not one of those guys that\h\h

472
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just wants to sell you you know a subscription\h
to to one of my videos or i need hey like this\h\h

473
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:21,440
i've never done that ever uh i don't self-promote\h
i i live in the middle of nowhere wyoming um and\h\h

474
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:25,840
the problem is that this topic is too important\h
too many people have squandered the opportunity\h\h

475
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,360
to start with good intentions they become cults of\h
personality and all of a sudden they're starting\h\h

476
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to make money off it it becomes a cottage industry\h
and it's don't listen to anybody else i have all\h\h

477
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the answers i could i'm not going to do it here\h
but there's a long laundry list of these hucksters\h\h

478
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and fraudsters out there uh and and and i i will\h
not be part of it i'm not gonna lower myself\h\h

479
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:50,880
to that that is the bottom of the barrel nobody\h
cares in real life only people that are trolls\h\h

480
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:57,040
and that into that that type of thing i would\h
then have to argue getting out of it is the\h\h

481
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last thing that you should possibly do if\h
if in fact those are your feelings and uh\h\h

482
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and you you want to bring order to the to the\h
the town streets then you can't really back\h\h

483
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out you've you've sort of made your case and you\h
have to stay and continue to to to make it i think\h\h

484
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,200
the the problem with that is like being on a\h
playground with a bunch of four-year-olds at that\h\h

485
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:23,760
hurl insults at you in mud right what are you\h
gonna do you're gonna beat up a four-year-old no\h\h

486
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,520
you know it's it's it's a waste of time and energy\h
and frankly they don't know better so what i do\h\h

487
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:35,040
is i focus my efforts on things like we have\h
now with hearings and mainstream media outlets\h\h

488
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where we can carry the message across millions\h
instead of you know a couple dozen that are\h\h

489
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are stuck in their own narrative now one\h
of the things that uh representative lahood\h\h

490
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gave the witnesses a free kick to was the uap\h
research community and and basically the response\h\h

491
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that he got from scott bray was that these were\h
spurious chases and hunts by the ufo community by\h\h

492
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the uap community can i ask you this do you think\h
they are spurious chases and hunts do you think\h\h

493
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:13,440
this is all just spurious chases no absolutely not\h
no there's some very legitimate information out\h\h

494
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:20,880
there i think that's a minimization i mean look\h
fbi has a hotline for a reason for for to report\h\h

495
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:26,240
crime and we have you know crime busters and we\h
offer rewards because we need help from the public\h\h

496
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:32,640
it's absolutely absurd and ridiculous to say that\h
people in the ufos are are you know providing\h\h

497
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:38,240
wacky information that's not indicative\h
of the entire ufo community that there's\h\h

498
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:41,600
a couple folks that are truly unhinged\h
and need probably some psychological help\h\h

499
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:47,680
but there's a lot of folks out there that mean\h
well and have a lot of expertise whether as an\h\h

500
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:54,800
investigator or with media and cameras and i think\h
it's irresponsible for us to simply say yeah we\h\h

501
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,440
don't need a public self i mean look you go to an\h
airport or or a metro right now and what does the\h\h

502
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:04,720
government say we need your help see something say\h
something report it right and yet with this topic\h\h

503
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:12,720
it's uh well you know what don't call us we'll\h
call you so that's that's that shows the again\h\h

504
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:17,760
the schizophrenic nature in which we are dealing\h
with this you got it take care gentlemen thank you\h\h

505
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,720
for what you're doing it's really it's it's making\h
a difference thank you so much olivia take care

506
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:32,640
wow uh ross uh what an i guess it's a double thing\h
it's an honor and it was enlightening to hear from\h\h

507
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:37,680
lou elizondo talking about these hearings on the\h
day they happened i mean i had a lot of opinions\h\h

508
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:42,640
he brought a lot to the table and\h
uh that was really fascinating stuff\h\h

509
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:47,280
he's ready for a fight and i'm looking\h
forward to those future congressional hearings\h\h

510
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:54,160
oh there will be hearings to come believe me\h
and i think we'll be here doing more of the same\h\h

511
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:58,960
but uh for folks who have been listening to\h
this thank you for showing up and uh we hope\h\h

512
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:03,760
you learned as much as we did today we learned\h
some good things and some bad things and we'll\h\h

513
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:08,800
be talking more about them in episodes to come but\h
for now we'll say goodnight thanks for watching\h\h